Preferred the old interface

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Re: Preferred the old interface

Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:23 am

Barks wrote:I see so for the last five years FireTrust has produced MailWasher Pro with a bounce facility to help spammers?

Bless.
Short answer: Yes

This deserves a bit of background to be fair. Actually back when Firetrust first offered the bounce option ( maybe v2? my memory fails me ) it was quite effective and could contribute to reducing your incoming spam. About the v5 time-frame spammers started to adapt and it became iffy to use bouncing as the spam it helped stop was falling off while the problems it was causing innocent bystanders were increasing. By the time v6 came along bouncing was almost an unmitigated bad thing as far as spam went, a minor use existed for bouncing non-spam but unwanted e-mail. Even that was limited in use to bouncing from stupid people that couldn't tell the bounce was forged.

Mailwasher has taken many a beating in anti-spam forums over the years and is actively campaigned against as a spam blocking tool by many spam fighters as it does make doing bad things to innocent bystanders so easy. The decision to keep the bounce was not done by the technical experts at Firetrust but by the marketing weasels who would trade their self respect for another tick-mark on a clueless review site.

You don't need to trust me on this, check it yourself. The easy route is to open a free spamcop.net account and paste the spam source into the reporting form with the "show details" box ticked. Once you click the report button you will be presented a true picture of where the message came from. Of the pile I report every day it is rare to see one that isn't forged.



You can also read your ISP's acceptable use policy and see how they feel about forging e-mail messages. Here is a bit from my ISP: (bolding mine)

http://ww2.cox.com/aboutus/policies.cox ... Use_Policy
1. Prohibited Activities. Prohibited Activities. You may not use the Service in a manner that violates any applicable local, state, federal or international law, order or regulation. Additionally, you may not use the Service to:

Take part in any fraudulent activities, including impersonating any person or entity or forging anyone else's digital or manual signature.
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Invade another person's privacy, stalk, harass, or otherwise violate the rights of others.
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Post, transmit, or distribute content that is illegal, threatening, abusive, libelous, slanderous, defamatory, promotes violence, or is otherwise offensive or objectionable.
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Restrict, inhibit, or otherwise interfere with the ability of any other person to use or enjoy their equipment or the Service, including, without limitation, by posting or transmitting any information or software which contains a virus, lock, key, bomb, worm, Trojan botnet, cancelbot, or other harmful feature.
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CAN-SPAM for US residents forbids header forgery.
Pretty sure the forged return address would meet the second rule.
Dumping your spam on an innocent bystander is surely harassing them.
You sending someone your spam will likely include plenty of objectionable content.
Helping a spammer pollute a user's inbox with thousands of spam bounces surely cuts back on enjoyment.


11. Electronic Mail. You may not use the Service to send bulk, commercial or unsolicited ("spam") email messages. Any unsolicited email, originating from any source, must not direct recipients to any website that is part of our Service, such as personal web pages, or other resources that are part of the Service. The Service may not be used to collect responses from unsolicited email sent from accounts on other Internet hosts or email services that violate this Policy or the acceptable use policy of any other Internet service provider. In addition, "mail bombing," the sending of numerous copies of the same or substantially similar messages or very large messages or files with the intent to disrupt a server or account, is prohibited.

You may not reference Cox in the header or body of an unsolicited email, or list an IP address that belongs to the Cox network in any unsolicited email. Further, you may not take any action which implies that Cox is the sponsor of any unsolicited email even if that email is not sent through the Cox network. Further, forging, altering or removing electronic mail headers is prohibited.
You are sending spam with the bounce and the innocent bystander surely didn't request it.
It is mail-bombing when an innocent bystander opens their inbox to thousands of bounces, sure you only sent a few but you are helping the spammer who intended to send the thousands.
The bounce forges your ISP's reserved address to the bounce.
Directly prohibits forging a bounce message in the last block.
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Re: Preferred the old interface

Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:32 am

vpnavy wrote:Barks - I've been on the net for over 10+ years with the same e-mail addresses. Every year - I get a ton of SPAM with my e-mail as the return address. So, when MailWasher "bounces" the mail - guess who gets it? Yuppa - poor user's like myself that have had their e-mail spoofed. Just about 90% of all SPAM has spoofed e-mail return addresses.
My most valuable filter is for forged bounces! It is really cool to open MW, check mail and find 8,000 or so forged bounces waiting for me all neatly sorted together so I can report the lot of them with a couple clicks.

Sure more cool would to not have the forged bounces but I've gotten to the point that hammering bouncers is almost as much fun as tormenting the cat with a laser pointer. Some of the whining replies I get to my abuse complaints could cheer up almost anyone. Not sure the bouncers enjoy the game as much as the cat but then again I like the cat a lot more than a bouncer and the cat only likes the canned kind of SPAM, not the e-mail variety.

Even cooler are responses from some ISPs that have added outgoing mail filters to block messages that have such easily detected forgeries in the header.
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Re: Preferred the old interface

Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:35 am

Barks wrote:And yes how awful to bounce an email to the wrong person - shame on me.
At least you acknowledge it - but it doesn't sound to me like you're really ashamed. Maybe when some of those innocents start to report you, it will be more clear.
Barks wrote:You guys are so ready to tell me what I want - I know what I want already, you see, because I am the customer.
I don't think anyone is telling you what you want - where do you get that? You're free to seek out what you want. I think some of the other customers were responding to your uninformed opinions, in an attempt to enlighten you. Wasted effort, apparently.
Barks wrote:And the customer, in this instance, doesnt like your new software.
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Re: Preferred the old interface

Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:37 am

stan_qaz wrote: My most valuable filter is for forged bounces! It is really cool to open MW, check mail and find 8,000 or so forged bounces waiting for me all neatly sorted together so I can report the lot of them with a couple clicks.
Have you shared this filter somewhere already?
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Re: Preferred the old interface

Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:58 am

Fair enough.

Agree the main benefits are to review potential Spam.

Unfortunately the 2010 version of MWP isnt as good at this as the 6.5 versions - IMHO
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Re: Preferred the old interface

Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:04 am

Bounce filters: Last two in the first post here are what I'm using in 2010 http://forum.firetrust.com/viewtopic.ph ... 575#p24884 I'll dig for the ones in v6 and the Linux beta and post them too.
Barks wrote:Fair enough.

Agree the main benefits are to review potential Spam.

Unfortunately the 2010 version of MWP isnt as good at this as the 6.5 versions - IMHO
I'm running three different versions of MW side by side and I'm finding the 2010 version is somewhat better at sorting spam from ham. It does require a bit of training just as the other versions did but once your Bayesian corpus is up to the minimums results from that are pretty good. For me the main improvement is from the combination of the various tools compared to the older one tool at a time and no coordination between them method.
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Re: Preferred the old interface

Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:56 am

I've used the old MW Pro for several years had have been extremely happy with it. As an 'ol retired techie' I have put family members and friends on it. I prefer the old interface to the new MW 2010, but that is my personal preference. My only real complaint is that it will not group my email accounts together rather than intersperce them by time received. (Perhaps that is a filter problem.) I don't want my money back - you have more than earned it with your support of MW Pro. Plus, you told me to just put a copy on my notebook for when I travel. I think that I will return strickly to MW Pro. Thanks again for building this software.

By the way, my granddaughter just finished a colledge semister in New Zeland. Seems like it worked out pretty well. However, I'm not sure about the boyfriend she brought back to Alabama.
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Re: Preferred the old interface

Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:11 pm

chapmanjw wrote:I've used the old MW Pro for several years had have been extremely happy with it. As an 'ol retired techie' I have put family members and friends on it. I prefer the old interface to the new MW 2010, but that is my personal preference. My only real complaint is that it will not group my email accounts together rather than intersperce them by time received. (Perhaps that is a filter problem.) I don't want my money back - you have more than earned it with your support of MW Pro. Plus, you told me to just put a copy on my notebook for when I travel. I think that I will return strickly to MW Pro. Thanks again for building this software.

By the way, my granddaughter just finished a colledge semister in New Zeland. Seems like it worked out pretty well. However, I'm not sure about the boyfriend she brought back to Alabama.
If you want you messages Grouped by Account or any other condition then go to Quick Display and at the very bottom enable the Show Grouping Bar and the drag the Account column header to the Group bar. You can add multiple sub groups as you may like. You can sort then on the Group headers and set up multiple column sorts by holding down the Shift key. After you get it set up the way you want the I would close and restart to insure that all is saved. You can then go back and deselect the Show Grouping Bar to pick up grid real estate. If you want you can also select to not display the Account column in the Grid if you so choose. Extremely flexible.
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Re: Preferred the old interface

Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:53 pm

I would like to add my weight for a request for, at the very least, an alternative 'skin' that gives approximately the appearance of MWP 6. I've done all the available adjustments to the extant interface of MWP 2010 to make it look more concise and focused, but it is still to my eyes diffuse and awkward, and it feels to be some sort of penance for me to have to use it. The 'classic Windows' appearance of MWP up to v.6 was for me much clearer and more focused, and I really do want to get that back. For me, clarity and focus always score strongly over 'prettiness' of design.

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