FYI! There has not been a single programmer posting here.atlatus wrote:I have read this forum for a short while to decide if I want to upgrade. And what I see here are the self narcissitic programmers, defending their decision not to deliver what the user wants. Telling the user what is the right for their best and truth. They even insult some of their long term customers.
Sorry for my bad english..
There are those that are willing to listen and learn and those who choose just to bitch and moan!atlatus wrote:OK. so rusticdog is no programmer. Who are we talking with then?
some selfish beta testers? who have their fun insulting customers?
<edit : removed insults : rusticdog>atlatus wrote:Thank you for your kind answer.
Would you be so kind to keep silent and let some firetrust employee answer my questions? If possibel. I want answers, no insults from some beta guy...
OK, I understand. I have a complete different opinion on automatic bounce. cleverly and smart programmed, it is still one of the best leverages the user has to stop spam.rusticdog wrote:What answer would you like ?
We've made it pretty clear the alterations to the bounce, and I see no reason to change this
Our customers often ask if G-Lock SpamCombat has the capability to bounce spam emails back to the spammers. It seems to be a very nice feature... But our answer is NO. G-Lock SpamCombat cannot bounce spam emails and we think this feature is quite pointless.
Here is why:
1) Nowadays most spammers do not use their real email addresses in To and From but forge addresses that refer to no user, or enter the emails of some innocent users. So, even a spam message bounces, in most cases it will not reach the real spammer but end up to mailbomb innocent users as well as mailbomb the admin of your ISP who sees all the failed bounces come back to the mailer-daemon. And actually, it is the violation of the ISPs' Acceptable Use Policy.
2) The bounce feature sends back a "forged" bounced message from
[email protected] - which is completely meaningless after the email has already been successfully delivered.
3) The rejects from a real mailer-daemon happen at the time of the MTA transaction between the mail servers. So, sending back a bounced message, for example, a couple of hours later when you check your email does nothing except verify that you are using the "bounce" feature from the other Spam Blocker. The real MTA transaction was completed hours earlier, and your email address was already verified as being deliverable to the spammer.
The conclusion is that the other Spam Blocker's "bounce" feature does nothing to help you reduce spam you are "bombarded" with every day but only contribute to email abuse.
The main issue here is that spammers just don't care about bounces. The infected zombie networks can spew out millions of messages a day, there's little consequence if their mailing lists are sending to non-existent addresses.atlatus wrote:And hey you "smart guys" (who already forgot more than anybody will ever know...), if you are really not able to mimic a real "adress not available" mail, just redirect the spam mail to a non existing email adress and let the email provider do this job for you. legaly and officially...
That did not fit any of my arguments. so what? G-lock is not able to do their job, so Mw isnt also?anniebrion wrote:Most spammers use Compromised PCs (bots) to send the emails and do not care about anything sent back.
Its not just Firetrust that think bouncing is useless, G-Lock also have this stance:Our customers often ask if G-Lock SpamCombat has the capability to bounce spam emails back to the spammers. It seems to be a very nice feature... But our answer is NO. G-Lock SpamCombat cannot bounce spam emails and we think this feature is quite pointless.
Here is why:
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The conclusion is that the other Spam Blocker's "bounce" feature does nothing to help you reduce spam you are "bombarded" with every day but only contribute to email abuse.
that is simply false. the companies, who are paying for these spams, ARE interested that they dont just buy illegal adresses (which could be artificially produced in masses...). And these adressess will be checked. somehow, somewhen. Not with every spam you get, but over the time you adress will be erased from more and more spamfiles. I can observe this effect with my email account. still today.rusticdog wrote:The main issue here is that spammers just don't care about bounces. The infected zombie networks can spew out millions of messages a day, there's little consequence if their mailing lists are sending to non-existent addresses.atlatus wrote:And hey you "smart guys" (who already forgot more than anybody will ever know...), if you are really not able to mimic a real "adress not available" mail, just redirect the spam mail to a non existing email adress and let the email provider do this job for you. legaly and officially...
So the bounce simply serves no purpose, to effectively bounce you would have to filter at the server level and reply during MTA transaction, just as posted by GLock. MailWasher simply cannot offer this service.