Blacklist not working after update to V15

[rusticdog]

No, you could never use a wildcard in a filter if it's plain text, the wildcards like * only apply to Friends and Blacklists.

[alanrwood]

Hi Rusty
Thanks for the confirmation. If they can't be used then how come the program created them when I installed it. Were wild cards allowed in previous version and could they have been picked up from that.
Regards Alan

[rusticdog]

Hi Rusty
Thanks for the confirmation. If they can't be used then how come the program created them when I installed it. Were wild cards allowed in previous version and could they have been picked up from that.
Regards Alan

Example please ?

[stan_qaz]

Plain text doesn't accept wildcards, you have to go to regex and use the regex mode wildcards.

http://www.regexlab.com/en/deelx/syntax.htm

Here is an example of a working regex not-to-me filter:

http://forum.firetrust.com/viewtopic.php?p=24888#p24888

[alanrwood]

Hi Rusty

What was created in the filter was a separate filter condition for each email addresses which was for a single name in a domain in the full format (name@domain) but any domain with several names was created as *@domain. If wild cards are not acceptable in filters then that was was maybe the reason and why I asked if it had picked them up from the previous version. Can't tell myself as I have deleted the older version after installing the new version.

Hi Stan
Thanks for the info on Regex . Unfortunately I don't really have the time to study this at this juncture but will come back to it when I do. To be honest it does seem a bit over complicated for the average user who wants to use and forget and not get too involved in setting up complicated expressions.

Regards Alan

[stan_qaz]

Regex ranges form the incredibly simple to complexity that will leave you in tears. The good news is that almost all you really need to do to trap spam falls to the simple side of the rule.

Here is a good starting point: http://forum.firetrust.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=5642

Try: "Subject does not contain regex ." which will pick up all messages with a blank subject. That was my sole regex filter for many years.

Switch to regex mode and ignore all of the other options aside from the few characters that need an escape code "\" ahead of them.

http://www.regexlab.com/en/deelx/syntax/bas_sesc.htm

Use the wildcard options "." which matches any single character ".+" which matches at least one character and as many as possible or ".*" which is similar but also matches zero characters.

http://www.regexlab.com/en/deelx/syntax/bas_quat.htm

I'm finding that I can code some fairly powerful checks into fairly simple to create regex structures and they are actually less work to maintain and run faster than plain text ones. That is interesting as 2010 optimizes plain text filters when it can and then converts all filters to regex code for internal use. Looks like the friends and blacklist also use regex for internal use too.

This one is a re-do of the recycle filter looking for faster processing the "(?" makes it a non-capture group that is supposed to be faster and the "^" restricts checking to the beginning of the line eliminating having to check beyond the first non-matching character.

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Wait on the more complicated stuff until you have time or need it but the simple wildcard options are worth learning and using up front.

[alanrwood]

Hi again

After scanning your post my brain hurts.
As I said I am really busy at the moment preparing for a 1000 mile drive down to Switzerland so unfortunately this will have to wait until I get back at the end of Sept when I have a few spare minutes. All I wanted to do was advise Rusty that the filter as set up during the installation did not work and to find out why it was created with wild cards which are not acceptable to filters.

I will look at your suggestions but right now it is not the right time.

Regards and thanks

Alan

[stan_qaz]

Not a problem, I posted the details not only for you when you get time but for anyone else coming across the topic and needing help.

It is good for new users to post problems to rusticdog (aka Chris) as a lot of stuff only gets hit by the internal firetrust testers and new users, many of the beta testers never go back and do a new install tossing all of their data and therefore miss stuff like you caught.

You might be able to cut a deal with Chris, free software or something in exchange for some good Swiss chocolate, he is married and that stuff can come in quite handy when the wife isn't happy.

[alanrwood]

Hi Stan

Thanks for the tips. Glad some others may get some advantage from this. I always try to feed back any problems I find with new software. I have been an electronics engineer for around 45 years and know full well that in house testing often misses small problems especially the intermittent type.

I have another problem which may be significant.

Today I found an email in the Recycle Bin which was marked "Friend" It came from "[email protected]" which is in my friends list in exactly this format. However the email "From" field has "Martin's Money Tips <[email protected]>.

I also noticed this before in my initial look at the filter problem that it also did not action as spam the emails from my own address (ie test emails) when in the same format "Name <[email protected]>". My own address is in the Blacklist. This was the start of my looking at the "Not to me" filter among others.

Regards Alan

[rusticdog]

If you view the full source in the Recycle Bin of one of these emails, copy/paste the details into a text file and send to me at [email protected] I'll check this has been fixed, I have a feeling it will be for the next release.

[steve1]

Hi,

have deposited an mail address into the blacklist today. With the "AutoDelete" filter the mail address was not recognized and not deleted.
It works with the fiendlist great!

[anniebrion]

Blacklisting detection is broken in v1.0.15 it is fixed in v1.0.16 not sure when the new version will go public as v1.0.16 has a showstopping bug

[rusticdog]

Blacklisting detection is broken in v1.0.15 it is fixed in v1.0.16 not sure when the new version will go public as v1.0.16 has a showstopping bug

Nope, still a few more fixes to squeeze in before we go live.

[steve1]

Can I get the beta V16? The topic with the blackslist is very important for me. Therefore I have purchase Mailwasher.

[anniebrion]

Can I get the beta V16? The topic with the blackslist is very important for me. Therefore I have purchase Mailwasher.

You would not want it as it has worse problem than the blacklist, to get BL working revert back to v1.0.10 as this is will provide the least problems. I have reverted back to v1.0.10 from v1.0.15 in the past with no problems, YMMV.

Note: Reverting back to an earlier version of MWP may require you to completely uninstall and delete ALL MWP user data.