problems w/ new install

[wingslevel]

Good Morning-

Just installed MWPro 2012 on a new machine - Install went fine except that the preview pane had a message [not exact quote] "we are glad you have enjoyed mailwasher for 10 days, please register to use the recycle bin etc." - so, what the heck, i registered. But this is a bug because I have never had mailwasher and it had been installed for about 1 minute.

The next problem is that MW is not checking the origin of spam. I have about 20 items in my inbox - including at least 10 obvious spam - it is correctly identifying friends as it has grabbed my address book from outlook, so they are green, but there are no pink highlighted emails - everything is just white - my understanding is that the default settings for MW are that it will check for origin of spam when the mail is checked - not happening for me - checked settings and both spamcop and spamhaus are enabled as default - server name was blank though - is this correct? I did try selecting spamcop from the drop down, but it had no affect - MW is still not identifying any spam.

I am running windows7 64bit.

Thanks, Wingslevel-

[TrustFire]

Good Morning-

Just installed MWPro 2012 on a new machine - Install went fine except that the preview pane had a message [not exact quote] "we are glad you have enjoyed mailwasher for 10 days, please register to use the recycle bin etc." - so, what the heck, i registered. But this is a bug because I have never had mailwasher and it had been installed for about 1 minute.

Please ensure that you're running the latest MWP 2012. That's a known issue and a bug report has already been filed at the beta channel.

The next problem is that MW is not checking the origin of spam. I have about 20 items in my inbox - including at least 10 obvious spam - it is correctly identifying friends as it has grabbed my address book from outlook, so they are green, but there are no pink highlighted emails - everything is just white - my understanding is that the default settings for MW are that it will check for origin of spam when the mail is checked - not happening for me - checked settings and both spamcop and spamhaus are enabled as default - server name was blank though - is this correct? I did try selecting spamcop from the drop down, but it had no affect - MW is still not identifying any spam.

I am running windows7 64bit.

Thanks, Wingslevel-

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=hv ... 8&vq=large

[wingslevel]

Thanks for a quick response.

I am running V 2012 1.20.0 just downloaded this morning from the mailwasher.net site - checked for update - says "your software is up to date" - i did register, so that is not an issue for me anymore, but, looks like the bug might still be there...

I watched that video - seems like MW just checks and identifies spam - not happening for me, been using it all morning and MW hasn't pinked in a single message - all are either green (my friends) or white - but the whites are almost all spam

Update! - while typing here I got my first pink messages - 1 was spam and 2 was not - i am clicking on the evaluation link to see what MW is doing - the origin and firstalert boxes are grayed out - so it looks like the only way to ID spam is by learning (I had been marking the earlier spams as such, so i guess it is learning) - i thought spamcop, spamhaus and firstalert had huge lists of bad ip addresses and MW was checking each message from my inbox against these - i can't tell if that is happening - if it is, then those blacklists aren't very complete as I haven't had one hit all day - i get too many emails to rely on training alone - any way to improve the "origin of spam" performance? How about ORD-B? any other blacklists we can access?

Thanks,

Wingslevel

[TrustFire]

so it looks like the only way to ID spam is by learning

Yes, the default way is through learning - it takes about 200 (classification of Spam messages) approximately for MWP to catch onto the drift.

[wingslevel]

OK, thanks.

Did a little study of about 20 spams in my recycle bin. None were in spamcop or spamhaus db. So, looks like the MW origin of spam function is working, just no joy on those 2 dbs.

So I went here:

http://whatismyipaddress.com/blacklist-check

where you can check an IP against 70 blacklists - looks like barracuda and sorbs are giving the best result, at least for my sampling - so i have set them up in origin of spam - stay tuned and i will let you know how this works out.

Wingslevel

[TrustFire]

Personally, I find these cloud-based Spam-tools to be pretty much lame for my kind of rigorous use - I prefer to follow the Friend's List that I white-list with everything else to be treated as Spam. This kind of approach does wonders for the performance, too - I seem to be the only one, so far who has adopted it and find it far far superior to the conventional cloud-based approach.

Have based my findings on more than a full-year's observations with both approaches.

[stan_qaz]

First Alert and the spam DNSBLs are interesting tools but I do not depend or trust either one due to the low hit rate (spammers aren't stupid) and the chance of false positives. The MW Bayesian/learning tool is pretty good but is subject to getting a message wrong once in a while (less than FA or the DNSBLs) but they MW folks are aware of the problem and know what to do to fix it. I don't trust the friends list since it is easily fooled by spammers and instead use a filter that checks the whole From line. The MW folks are aware of that issue too and have promised to fix it but haven't gotten to it yet. The blacklist has some promise if you use wild card domains and block the ones you do not expect to get mail from, individual address blocking is iffy since most spammers don't reuse an address.

I do almost all my mail classification with filters which are almost perfect, maybe one in a thousand slip by my filter set.

[wingslevel]

Wow! - once I got barracuda and sorbs set up for "origin of spam", things are going great! Virtually all spam gets snared by their blacklists.

I would suggest making them the default DNSBL's for MW instead of spamcop and spamhaus.

WL

[TrustFire]

Check the following link for a graphic illustration on how to set up SpamCop:-

http://forum.firetrust.com/viewtopic.ph ... 500#p65358

[Ratfancy]

Why are emails from friends sometimes in green and sometimes in pink?

[rusticdog]

Why are emails from friends sometimes in green and sometimes in pink?

Emails are looked at by the various spam tools and each assign a value, with the final score determining if email is spam/good or not sure.

If an email was tagged friend, but the learning thought it was very spammy it could show pink. A quick work around is go Settings >> Spam Tools >> Spam Ratings >> Set the Friends value to +200. That will be high enough to override the learning.

[Ratfancy]

Thanks for info on "pink" friends.